Saturday, April 11, 2009

Identifying Antique Haviland Limoges Patterns - ll -



Where do I begin my pattern identification?

First of all I look at the back mark. With the following knowledge - which may be considered over simplification - I can identify most of the Antique Haviland China that I come in contact with. On a rare occasion I need to turn to my reference books for an unusual mark.

The 4 found most often are variations of the following -





1) The H & Co back mark. This is one of the oldest Haviland & Company marks dating to the late 1800's. Variations of the H & Co stamp are found and some date as early as the 1860's.

There are 2 marks on the back of Antique Haviland china - one represents the manufacturer and the other represents the decorator. If there is just one mark the china was sold as whiteware and usually decorated elsewhere. Sometimes there is also a mark representing the store the china was produced for.











2) The Haviland France back mark. This mark is the one most often found and dates to c.1894-1931. This was the period during which most Haviland china was sold. Again these marks are also found combined with store marks. Also the rarely found patterns that were named and identified by Haviland appear with these back marks.


























3) The Theodore Haviland mark. This commonly found mark and its variations date from 1893 to the early 1900's. Theodore was the son of David Haviland. He dissolved his partnership with his brother and set up his own company. His pieces at first had only an impressed TH mark later to include the marks shown. These back marks also sometimes include store names. If a store ordered a certain amount of china the store name was included as part of the back mark. Sometimes an exclusive variation (a special border or gold trim) of a pattern was made for a particular store.











































4) The Charles Field Haviland mark. Charles F Haviland was the nephew of David Haviland and opened his own company in the late 1800's in competition with his uncle's Haviland & Company. Later Charles joined with GDM ( Gerard, Dufraisseix and Morel). A back mark in combination with GDA is often found.



Arlene Schleiger divided her books into sections according to these manufacturers - Haviland & Company, Theodore Haviland, Charles F Haviland.

Continuing the process of Identifying Antique Haviland Limoges China - watch for future blogs.

A large collection of Antique Haviland Limoges China is available for purchase at Holly Lane Antiques.
(Click on the banner to visit Holly Lane Antiques Internet Store)

19 comments:

  1. I have a approx 10" covered server, it appears to be a Theodore Haviland Limoges Schleiger 145 pattern. The back mark shows Theodore Haviland on one line with Theodore underlined. Second Line centered under first says Limoges, third line centered France all caps. There is an impression T H with a 2. I am searching for other matching pieces.

    ReplyDelete
  2. I do have pieces of Haviland Schleiger #145 listed in my store - click on the banner to visit my store or go to
    http://www.antiquearts.com/stores/hollylane

    ReplyDelete
  3. I have a large set of Haviland Limoges with the same mark as the one mentioning Memphis Queensware. I believe it is Schleiger 146 with gold trim. How do I go about having this appraised and finding more pieces?

    ReplyDelete
  4. Hi Laura -
    It would be best to look for someone in your area who does appraisals.
    What pieces are you looking for in #146? I have several pieces in this pattern.
    Please contact me by email - hollyln@sprintmail.com.
    Schleiger #146 is one of the most special of the antique Haviland patterns.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Hi Holly,
    My grandmother has a set of Haviland Limoges. Her description of the set is:
    The pattern is h2314, , gold rim, center is antique white with platinum
    ring and outside rime is darker like antique egg shell with blue and
    bronze colored edging. Looks like it might resemble wheat but not sure. On the back it says HAVILAND LIMOGES AND.
    My grandmother lives in another state and doesn't know how to take a picture and send it to me.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Hi, I have a question about a piece I have,It is the meadow visitor pattern. It has a green H&Co stamp underlined twice.It also has a stamp maybe from the company selling the piece it Steele Bros south 11th street Philadelphia. I didnt see that stamp on your site.Do you know when this might date to.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Hi Kim -

    If you email me a picture of your piece and the backstamp I will try to help you

    ReplyDelete
  8. Hi,
    I have a set of 29 pieces of Haviland.
    The imprint on the back is from 1893-1900
    with Theodore underlined and Patent applied for.
    I just do not know what the pattern is called.
    I have been looking for days. I was not sure if you may know if i sent you a picture. I like in Indiana I have no clue how to get them appraised

    ReplyDelete
  9. I have a set of Haviland that also says for A B Griswal on the back do you know anything about this mark?

    ReplyDelete
  10. I have a large set of white haviland with only "haviland france" as the mark. how do I identify the specific pattern?

    ReplyDelete
  11. I found a Limoges porcelain plate with a crown shaped Limoges mark on the back. Is it possible to know if this is an authentic mark?

    ReplyDelete
  12. Hi Vicki -

    I would suggest that you look for the mark in Kovel's New Dictionary of Marks

    ReplyDelete
  13. This was extremely helpful. I just inherited my grandmothers China, most of which is Haviland. I have a full set of The Princess, and a bunch of other random stuff. I found several plates and a few teacups with the "Theodore Haviland Patent Applied For" mark.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Hi there,
    I'm trying to find a demitasse cup--Haviland (I believe it is a Charles F) the mark is GDA Haviland Limoge and it is a rose pattern with gold trim (I know there are many) which is why I wanted to send you a photo. Can you help?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Melissa

      Email me a picture and I will try to help you

      Delete
  15. I found an early Haviland vegetable server with cover in very good condition (other than years of dust)with the H C France early mark on the back. What is the best way to clean it?

    ReplyDelete
  16. Lucky You! Clean it in a sink full of warm mild soapy water

    ReplyDelete
  17. I am trying to identify Haviland France Haviland & Co Limoges stamps on the back circa 1895. It has scalloped edging with raised dots, pink flowers in border and round circle of flowers in middle. No other flowers on actual plate. I have looked and looked and have found similar patterns but not exact one. Can anyone offer any help????

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. There are hundreds of antique Haviland patterns - most with pink flowers. This is not enough information to help you identify your pattern - sorry!

      Delete